Georgia’s ambassador to Russia reveals surprising evidence

A testimony by Erosi Kitsmarishvili, Georgia’s former ambassador to Russia and President Saakashvili’s former insider, before the parliamentary commission studying the August war:

In February 2004 in a capacity of the Georgian President’s special envoy I was sent to Moscow to organize the first meeting between President Saakashvili and then Russian President Vladimir Putin; I had a verbal authorization to prepare that meeting from President Saakashvili;

The key importance of that meeting was the fact that a very positive mutual confidence emerged between Putin and Saakashvili; we were telling Russians that we wanted to put a new dynamic into the bilateral relations and the starting point was very good in that respect;

The first thing Russians told us was that they were starting relations with the new authorities in Tbilisi with an empty paper, because it was totally new government, which came into power through the peaceful revolution; so Russians were telling us that they wanted to build formats for resolving those problems, which existed between the two countries for years;

During the Adjara events, Russia again tried to negotiate on some old problems, but no step has been taken by us;

Kitsmarishvili was then asked by MP Goka Gabashvili of the ruling party to specify what he meant by that. MP Givi Targamadze backed the question and said the commission members wanted more details in order not to remain “only on the level of rhetoric.”

Kitsmarishvili responded: during the meeting between Putin and Saakashvili in Moscow in February, 2004 – and I know it based on accounts by Saakashvili himself, as well as by Irakli Okruashvili [then General Prosecutor of Georgia] who also attended that meeting – Putin said that he was not ready for talks on the Abkhaz issues, but he was ready to launch talks over resolution of the South Ossetian problem;

After those agreements with Putin – which were considered as very successful – Russia expressed irritation about Tbilisi over the developments in Adjara [reference to a peaceful ouster of then Adjarian leader Aslan Abashidze in May, 2004], because during that crisis, Russia was trying to have a type of a platform based on which it would have a chance for a trade-off with Tbilisi over the issues, which I have mentioned above [apparently referring to the issues of the conflict resolution]; but we have not initiated any dialogue with them;

After the Adjara events, when the central authorities established full control over that region, we started to activate the South Ossetian direction – Vano Merabishvili [then Secretary of the Georgian National Council, who month after the Adjara events became the Security Minister]; Zurab Adeishvili [then General Prosecutor] and Irakli Okruashvili [who after a month from the Adjara events became the Interior Minister] were most actively engaged in the issues related with South Ossetia;

Irakli Okruashvili was especially active in this regard and he was engaged in direct talks with Eduard Kokoity, the South Ossetian leader; these talks were held in informal formats; they were even hunting together;

I know this because I was participating in the discussions of the results of these activities; these discussions were taking place mainly in the so called presidential special residence in Shavnabada, outside Tbilisi;

Okruashvili was saying at that time that he had reached an agreement with Kokoity and the latter was ready to launch talks with Tbilisi over power transition in Tskhinvali in exchange for several millions;

But an incident took place between Okruashvili and Kokoity [Kitsmarishvili did not specify] and escalation started to raise in the region; a special operation was then carried out in South Ossetia, which was led by Okruashvili; on that day Okruashvili announced [on August 19, 2004] that [the Georgian troops] killed eight Cossacks fighting on the South Ossetian side. But eventually it turned out that only one person was killed.

On the evening of the same day President Saakashvili, Vano Merabishvili, Irakli Okruashvili, Zurab Adeishvili, Irakli Chubinishvili [then head of the President’s administration], Gogi Tavtukhashvili [commander of then Interior Troops] gathered in the Shavnabada residence; I was also present; then PM Zurab Zhvania was not there at that moment, he was in the government’s administration in his office;

During that meeting, President Saakashvili asked the question whether to launch a military assault on Tskhinvali or not? Vano Merabishvili, Irakli Chubinishvili and Zurab Adeishvili were against of launch of this operation; then we asked Gogi Tavtukhashvili whether there were enough capabilities to secure control over the region in a next few days in case of the military operation; Tavtukhashvili failed to give us a positive answer on that question;
We were very close to taking a decision in favor of the operation, because Okruashvili, who was in favor of the military operation, was at that time very close associate to President Saakashvili;

After that President Saakashvili goes to the government’s administration and meets with PM Zhvania – I know this based on the accounts of Zurab Zhvania and Irakli Chubinishvili; Zhvania was categorically against of the war;
After a categorical opposition from the side of Zhvania and also after a phone conversation with one of the foreign capitals – who warned against of any military operation – a decision was made against of this military operation and the war was averted;

By those events of July-August in South Ossetia we have closed road towards those peaceful mechanism which emerged in February; I repeat that a chance for a rapid resolution of the South Ossetian conflict emerged after the meeting between Saakashvili and Putin in February;

Russia was trying to start negotiating with us over a possible deal: South Ossetia in exchange for something – but it was not considered by us; I do not know what this ‘something’ could have been;

In June, 2008 when I was an ambassador I had a meeting the Russian Foreign Ministry’s special envoys – with Yuri Popov and Valery Kenyakin and the latter told us that there were good chances for the South Ossetian conflict resolution in late 2004 and early 2005, but these chances disappeared after the death of Zurab Zhvania;

From autumn, 2004 I suspended my ties with the Georgian authorities and possess no information about further developments; although I was following developments and everyone is aware of the aggressive rhetoric, which the Georgian authorities used in direction of Russia and its leadership;

I received a proposal to become Georgia’s ambassador to Russia on November 2, 2007 from Vano Merabishvili, the Interior Minister;

President Saakashvili personally offered me to take this post on January 11, 2008 [Saakashvili was re-elected as the president in the January 5 election]; I was a PR manager of Saakashvili’s election campaign;

When the President offered me to take that post I had an impression that Saakashvili sincerely wanted to improve ties with Russia, so I accepted to take that post;

I accompanied President Saakashvili to Moscow in February, when he met with then Russian President Putin;

On our way back from Moscow to Tbilisi, in a plane – I was there – President Saakashvili said, that in August he would relocate Georgia’s capital from Tbilisi to Sokhumi, breakaway Abkhazia; Gela Bezhuashvili, chief of the intelligence service; Grigol Vashadze, the deputy foreign minister and Eka Sharashidze, the economy minister, were also present there;

At that point, the commission chairman, MP Davitaia, interrupted Kitsmarishvili and asked him whether the President meant a formal relocation of the capital’s status, or he was referring to some kind of military operation. Kitsmarishvili responded that he assumed Saakashvili was meaning use of force;

In the second half of April, 2008, I have learnt from the President’s inner circle that they have received a green light from the western partner to carry out a military operation;

When asked to specify “the western partner” Kitsmarishvili said: after a meeting with the U.S. President George W. Bush [the meeting between Bush and Saakashvili took place in Washington on March 19], our leadership was saying that they had the U.S. support to carry out the military operation;

In order to double-check this information, I have met with John Tefft, the U.S. ambassador in Tbilisi and asked him whether it was true or not; he categorically denied that;

Kitsmarishvili was then pressed by commission members from the ruling party to specify what he meant under “the leadership” and how he had learnt about that information. Kitsmarishvili responded: I can not reveal names of those people, who have told me about it because of their security;

After meeting with the U.S. ambassador, Kitsmarishvili continued, I went to meet with President Saakashvili; that meeting was attended by Davit Bakradze [who is now the parliamentary chairman] and Defense Minister, Davit Kezerashvili;

Kitsmarishvili was asked whether he raised at that meeting the issue of that alleged information about “the U.S. green light on military operation.” Kitsmarishvili initially said that Bakradze rejected having any “green light;” but later, when pressed on the matter, the ex-ambassador said Bakradze “neither conformed, nor denied it.” Saakashvili, he continued, “agreed that such information existed, but he was interested who the source was and who told me about it;”

At that meeting I warned against any military operation and I asked the Defense Minister whether we had enough military capability ready for the operation, Kezerashvili responded to me: we will not have such a strong army, which we have now, in next four years;

The military operation should have been undertaken in direction of Abkhazia; military instructors from Israel were brought here in order to prepare that military operation;

Kezerashvili also said at that meeting that the operation should have started in early May, or at least before the snow melted on the mountain passes;
This decision was not materialized;

MP Givi Targamadze intervened at that point by saying: “An unfortunate tradition has been established, when after dismissal from the official posts, persons become eager to talk about the content of private conversations…” Kitsmarishvili interrupted MP Targamadze by addressing to the commission chairman and saying that these remarks by Targamadze had nothing common with the issue discussed at the hearing. But Targamadze responded: “You yourself are speaking about things which have nothing common with the issue discussed.” He then continued by asking Kitsmarishvili why he agreed to take the post of the ambassador and why he did not speak out publicly if there was a threat to the country. Kitsmarishvili responded that he did not do that because he wanted to prevent it from within inside;

Kitsmarishvili then continued: we were receiving information at that time that Russians were preparing for a military operation in August in upper Kodori Gorge with an aim to expel Georgian forces for the gorge [which was the only part of breakaway Abkhazia under the Tbilisi control before the August war];
He was then asked who was planning the operation the Georgian side or the Russian side. Kitsmarishvili responded: both the Russian and Georgian authorities had plans for a military operation;

This military operation, he continued, was postponed by Russians upon the insistence of the Abkhaz side, because Sokhumi did not want to mar the summer tourist season;

The United States took some active steps in respect of Abkhazia and there was a visit by Mathew Bryza, the U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, in Sokhumi [on May 10, 2008];

It was then followed by a very important visit to Sokhumi by [Georgia’s UN envoy] Irakli Alasania [on May 12]; a so called Alasania’s document was elaborated;

This is a two-page document and the major content of this document involves signing an agreement on non-use of force. He was then asked to specify the details of the document. Kitsmarishvili responded that non-use of force issue was the major aspect of the document;

When asked what he personally thought about such a document and a pledge on non-use of force, taking into account the past experience of Russia always violating treaties, Kitsmarishvili responded, that his stance was positive towards this document, because on the one hand the United States were involved in the process and on the other hand Irakli Alasania was also engaged; he explained that Alasania was a person who enjoyed with respect and confidence among the Abkhaz side unlike many other Georgian officials; he also said that when on the one hand there was information that Russians were planning military operation in Kodori and on the other the Georgian side was also considering use of force, the proposed document on non-use of force would have been a positive step towards preventing escalation;

MP Givi Targamadze intervened at that point and said that working on that document had continued and it was discussed at a meeting with the Abkhaz side in Stockholm in mid-June, but the Abkhaz side, he said, had rejected all the Tbilisi’s proposals at that meeting;

Kitsmarishvili, however, said in a response that the Abkhaz side did reject proposal not because the Georgian delegation was mainly composed of so called hawks; [Alexandre Lomaia, the secretary of the National Security Council; Temur Iakobashvili, the state minister for reintegration; Nika Rurua, a lawmaker from the ruling party and Irakli Alasania were members of the Georgian delegation during the informal meeting in Sweden];

12 thoughts on “Georgia’s ambassador to Russia reveals surprising evidence

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  2. I think that Kitzmarishvili was unable to bring both sides to a negotiation, he was an unsucsesfull ambassador. Now he is trying to blame the government officials of the so called failure of the Russian, Georgian relations. He was in charge of settling the questions. I also dont get the thing about the ex-government officials joining the opposition after leaving theire cabinets. How can you be in an opposition when you have been a member of this government. You should be also responsible for the things that have happened during your stay in the job.

  3. Perhaps Kitsmarishvili was not very successful negotiator, but it was Saakashvili who appointed him… I imagine under the existing conditions his task was a mission impossible. The Ambassador cannot turn over tables and change the whole course of relations between the countries. Also according to his critics, Kitsmarishvili didn’t have access to important sources of information – perhaps, he was not fully trusted.

    And lastly, if you don’t understand how members of the government become opposition members as soon as they leave the government position, then you surely don’t understand how Mikheil Saakashvili dared to overthrow Eduard Shevardnadze’s government in 2003, even though he was appointed minister of justice for the same government in 2000.

  4. But if it was mission impossible, then he should have given away his ambassadors privileges when he was recalled back to Gerogia in July, I think that he was playin on two fronts. Anyways Kitsmarishvili was unsuccsefull as an ambassador, and he should not be blaming his government. Ambassdor is mostly by himself and has the potential to solve the problems because the government has given him those privileges. About the opposition and how Saakashvili came to power is a long undiscovered history that will open after decades. We dont really know how this scene was played out. But ppl leaving the cabinets should not be joining the opposition.

    • ok, let’s wait for fifty years until president Saakashvili opens his secrets, but before that no cabinet member should ever step down and join the opposition and it is especially horrible, when a cabinet member is dismissed. Why? Mmmm … because it’s not good… for Mr Saakashvili. He was minister in the government that he himself overthrew? Never mind, that was an outstanding, isolated example.

      Imho, Saakashvili is very likely to end up as his predecessors.

  5. Mr.Dzutsev, lets stop with this problems. But i think we are relatives. My great grandmother was Dzutseva, and i have read your article the Nacional Question magazine. I guess u must know Mrs.Kusova which is a very close friend of our family. Mir tesen

  6. No i am not a journalist but i am diplomat, just graduated the Georgian Diplomatic Academy. Looking for a job in the ministry of foreign affairs. Hope everything turns out to be the way i want it to be.

  7. OK, congratulations with graduation! Hope, you will succeed in these tumultuous times. In Tbilisi you also have the option of signing up with one of the think-tanks or NGOs, there are so many of them in the town.

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